Also recommends dosing limits for OTC painkillers that contain acetaminophen, like Tylenol or Excedrin, because of link to liver damage.

TUESDAY, June 30 (HealthDay News) -- The popular prescription painkillers Vicodin and Percocet, which combine acetaminophen with an opiate narcotic, should be banned, and the maximum dose of over-the-counter painkillers with acetaminophen, like Tylenol or Excedrin, should be lowered, a U.S. Food and Drug Administration advisory panel urged Tuesday.

The panel's recommendations followed the release of an FDA report last month that found severe liver damage, and even death, can result from a lack of consumer awareness that acetaminophen -- which is easier on the stomach than such painkillers as aspirin and ibuprofen -- can cause such injury.

The dangers from use or abuse of Vicodin and Percocet may be even more concerning, one key panelist said.

"It seems to me that problems with opiate combinations are clearly more prevalent," Dr. Lewis S. Nelson, chairman of the FDA's Drug Safety and Risk Management Advisory Committee, said during a Tuesday press conference held after the two-day meeting.

Explaining the panel's 20-17 vote to ban prescription acetaminophen/opiate drugs, Nelson said, "There are many deaths that relate to problems with prescription opiate combination acetaminophen products, whereas the number of deaths clearly related to the over-the-counter products are much more limited."

But the FDA advisers also took aim at over-the-counter (OTC) acetaminophen products. The agency's report found that many people may consume more than the recommended dose of these pain relievers in the mistaken belief that taking more will prove more effective against pain without posing health risks. Consumers may also not know that acetaminophen is present in many over-the-counter products, including remedies for colds, headaches and fevers, making it possible to exceed the recommended acetaminophen dose, the report said.

Based on that, the FDA advisory panel voted 21-16 to lower the maximum daily dose of nonprescription acetaminophen, which is currently 4 grams -- equal to eight pills of a drug such as Extra Strength Tylenol. The panel was not asked to recommend another maximum daily dose.

The panel also voted 24-13 to limit the maximum single dose of acetaminophen to 650 milligrams. The current single dose of Extra Strength Tylenol, for instance, is 1,000 milligrams.

The panel also voted 26-11 to make the 1,000-milligram dose of acetaminophen available only by prescription.

The advisers voted against other safety restrictions for other over-the-counter drugs such as NyQuil or Theraflu, which contain acetaminophen and other ingredients that treat cough and runny nose. Patients often mix the cold medications with pure acetaminophen drugs, like Tylenol, leaving them vulnerable to dangerously high levels of acetaminophen.

The FDA is not obligated to follow the recommendations of its advisory panels, but it typically does so.

Dr. Sandra L. Kweder, deputy director of the FDA's Office of New Drugs at the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, gave a strong hint of what the agency might do with the advisory panel's recommendations.

"I think the top recommendation of this committee was that the agency needs to do something to address and decrease the usual dose of acetaminophen, both for over-the-counter products and also prescription combination products," Kweder said during the press conference.

She added, "There was a clear message that there is a high likelihood of overdose from prescription narcotic/acetaminophen combination products. If we don't eliminate these combination products, we should certainly at least lower the usual acetaminophen dose patients receive in those prescription combination products."

At the very least the agency should require new warning labels on these prescription combinations that alert patients to the potential of liver damage if they take too much acetaminophen, she said.

Speaking for the OTC drug industry, Lynda A. Suydam, of the Consumer Healthcare Products Association (CHPA), said her group was "pleased the committee did not recommend eliminating these important nonprescription products."

However, in a statement, she added that CHPA was "disappointed in [the panel's] divided vote to lower the maximum daily dose and the single dose of 1000 mg acetaminophen. There was a notable lack of data referenced by the committee to support these recommendations and overwhelmingly strong data affirming the efficacy and safety of acetaminophen in its current dosage forms."

Another expert took a different view. Dr. John H. Klippel, chief executive officer of the Arthritis Foundation, said Tuesday's votes were very important to "people with arthritis because acetaminophen is a very commonly used medication to control pain."

"Lowering the maximum dose, providing that kind of guidance to patients, if it increases safety, would be something the arthritis community would support," he said. "Every person who takes this drug sees it as valuable, but they want clear guidance so they won't be harmed by the drug."

Dr. Lewis W. Teperman, director of transplant surgery and vice chairman of surgery at New York University School of Medicine, said he also supported the panel's decision to recommend lowering doses of acetaminophen.

"It's not that the doses can get you in trouble, but the very young and the very old can get into trouble easily," he said. Also if you are sick, there is the danger of taking cold remedies that contain acetaminophen plus taking pure acetaminophen drugs as well, he noted.

But Klippel added that the vote to make the 1,000-milligram dose of acetaminophen available by prescription only would overburden the health-care system. "Given the massive number of people who rely on this drug for pain control, making the maximum dose requiring a prescription, I think, is going to place undue burden on the health-care system," he said.

Teperman disagreed.

"The 1,000 milligram pill should never be at the patient's discretion. It should only be prescribed by a physician," Teperman said. "If you took an entire bottle of Tylenol Extra Strength, three days later you would be in a coma and needing a liver transplant."

More information

For more on acetaminophen, visit the U.S. National Library of Medicine.

SOURCES: June 30, 2009, press conference with Sandra L. Kweder, M.D., deputy director, Office of New Drugs, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and Lewis S. Nelson, M.D., chairman, FDA Drug Safety and Risk Management Advisory Committee, and associate professor, department of emergency medicine, NYU Langone Medical Center; John H. Klippel, M.D., CEO, Arthritis Foundation; Lewis W. Teperman, M.D., director of transplant surgery, vice chairman of surgery, New York University School of Medicine, New York City; June 30, 2009, news release, Consumer Healthcare Products Association; May 28, 2009, news release, U.S. Food and Drug Administration

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Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:58:40 PM
I would hate to see Vicodin banned as it is one of the few pain medications I can tolerate. I was once prescribed hydroxycodone, which is opiates without the Tylenol, and it did bubkes for my pain. Frankly, I don't want to see any of the opiate drugs banned because they are safe and effective if taken properly. People who take these drugs for pain management don't tend to abuse them. The people who tend to abuse these medications are those who have had problems with other substances, and it really should be the doctor's responsibility to weed those people out before prescribing opiates. Yes, there is a problem with "doctor shopping",  but it can only occur with the active collusion of doctors. This practice has to be stopped. But instead, the government just issues regulations that punish law-abiding pain sufferers. Because of this, I've had doctors categorically refuse to give me pain meds when it was medically warranted, such as for kidney infections! Thank God that when I had that mystery virus in my spine, I had a doctor who did not stint on giving me the pain meds I needed. If she hadn't prescribed them to me, I might still be in pain today. Untreated pain has a nasty tendency to become permanent. But because I was treated properly, I was on pain meds for a month and as soon as I no longer needed them, I went off them cold turkey. While it was enjoyable to be on an opiate high for a month, I was only too happy to finally be able to have my brain back. And this is how MOST people who DON'T have previous addiction issues respond to this medication.
Monday, July 06, 2009 10:54:17 AM

I don't deny the claims of the FDA of the damage that acetaminophen can cause in overdoasge of the OTC counter product and massive amounts can cause much damage, but lets think the practicality of applying this fact to the situation at hand. Reality is unless someone is trying to kill themselves or an infant gained access to the medical cabinet no one is going to take that much tylenol, it simply doesn't work well for severe pain and it doesn't get you high. We are eliminating darwinism here, the person that inadvertantly takes 10000mg+ of acetaminophen is doing something stupid, likewise there are many products if you take the whole bottle or ten times the labeled dosage it would cause problems. It seems they have facts, but they are making some odd laws that don't really apply to practical situations.

On the Percocet and Vicodin, they do not contain any more acetaminophen in most cases than any OTC medicine containing acetaminophen. In these cases acetaminophen combined with opiates are very effective in moderate to severe pain and are prescribed often by doctors and dentists. If the acetaminophen is removed from these products only products contain higher amounts of opiates will be able to achieve the same results for pain management. I know well that more opiates can have much more severe effects on your health and life than taking tylenol. I think that there is a much higher probability for abuse in these products given there opiate content and therefore again a high probability to OD on acetaminophen, but we are once again talking about a situation of abuse and misuse. Reality is more opiates and less tylenol for pain management is not going to be a reasonable or successful solution.

Idiots will be idiots and if they have to take two bottles of 500mg acetaminophen opposed to one of Extra Strength acetaminophen 1000mg, that person bent on killing themselves or that infant would get into two bottles. People do not abuse acetaminophen only products for the purpose of getting high, only ones containing opiates or codine, in this circumstance again someone has to abuse it and the addict that is taking one 5mg Perc now and some tylenol is going to have to take a 10mg oxy to achieve the same effect. Acetaminophen allows opiates to be absorbed in the spine and more effective therefore requiring a lower dosage of the opiate/narcotic.

1. I do not disagree the FDA(s) findings on the damage of acetaminophen containing products

2. However, I do not think the lowering of dosages in OTC or prescription acetaminophen products will have ANY positive effect. If anything, it will take two bottles to commit suicide instead of one, and infant one bottle is going to kill anyway given body weight/age, and addicts will just take more pills and people who have legitimate chronic pain will have to put up more money for doctors and prescriptions on already soaring health care costs

3. This will as stated by the article put an "undue burden on the healthcare system"

4. This is a horrible proposition by the above logic, I cannot believe the FDA is proposing this

Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:50:14 PM
I have Osteoarthritis, spinal stenosis, neuropathy of both feet and hands plus carpal tunnel syndrome.  The root of my problems stems from Sojgrens Disease (dry eye disease) which drys up every opening in your body and then attacks the nerves.  It is an autoimmune disease like Lupus and I will never be any better than I am now.  I don't abuse Vicodin but it really makes life bearable on a bad day - rain is the worst weather possible.  I wonder how many of the nay sayers on Vicodin experience the type of pain that I do.  What alternative will they offer.?  Just to put the frosting on the cake - I have numerous drug allergies, now what?
Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:40:55 PM
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Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:30:17 PM
Education is the most important key.  Remove Tylenol from all of the OTC allergy & cold medicines.  If you need Tylenol due to mild pain or fever, buy Tylenol separately.  Banning prescription meds is not the solution. Give people the freedom to take the medication they need. Don't punish the people that need pain medication because ignorant people choose to misuse drugs. If the FDA wants to ban prescription drugs, they should also ban alcohol & tobacco.
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:23:09 AM

This clears the path for drug companies to produce new acetaminophen free narcotics. As being new, drug companies again will profit until such time the cheaper genetics are allowed. Fifteen years I believe. Meaning if you want it? You will have to pay for it! How about that for getting money out of the pockets of the sick, injured, disabled, and elderly!

 

I made three attempts to post this at the Wall Street Journey Blog, http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/07/01/panel-down-with-vicodin-percocet-long-live-nyquil/,

and they won't post it - go figure!

 

Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:40:30 AM
by the way, i am a pharmacist and i agree 100% with cyw1.  she is on the ball and knows what real patients need
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:33:57 AM

Almost everywhere u can get tylenol there is a pharmacy.  If you really dont know how much to take there are professionals that do know.  And to go to your house and tell you?? are you kidding me??your the one in charge and you should be a big boy and find out what the hell your doing to yourself

people need to not be stupid and take their meds correctly.  pharmacists and LABELS ON THE BOTTLES tell you exactly what to do.  Most if not all prescriptions come with warnings, if you are too stupid to read them maybe theirs a reason your dying and killing your liver

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:04:21 PM

I would like to complete my argument since the post didn't warn me of a word

or character limit. After posting the first and proof reading I learned I had been cut off.

So please read below first and then finish here. 

 

I would like to see O'Rielly take a leave and do manual labor for a while
and then see if his comments take a different tone.

 

If the dosage of Tylenol is reduced in opiates then the patient will
double dip or buy Tylenol OTC and add to their pills to get the relief needed.

 

Cold medications should have to remove all Tylenol from them because
people are just going to take Tylenol alone when sick and running a fever.
All Tylenol and Excedrine PM should be remove from the shelves. The only part that makes this PM is Benadryl. These companies have tricked people into buying this product and taking extra Tylenol by selling "sleep". The truth is Tylenol doesn't cause sleep but the Benadryl does. The company has not cared about the danger of liver damage and all the time knowing this is a danger and a problem. The Tylenol nor the Excedrine helps the Benadryl to do a better job.

People take Tylenol during the day for pain and then at night they need something for sleep
and reach for one of these PM meds and in doing so they are accumulating Tylenol in their liver. 
 
The Benadryl works well alone and one Benadryl is 25mg and Tylenol has 12.5mg of Benadryl in each pill.
Why take two Tylenol to get 25mg of Benadryl when you can take one Benadryl
and no Tylenol and get therapuetic levels for sleep.Smile

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